Balancing Entrepreneurship and Motherhood w/ Content Creator Kelly Hill

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Introducing Kelly Hill

Danielle: Hi my loves, welcome back to The Wanderlover Podcast. I am over halfway through my pregnancy and one thing that I’ve been very intentional about is learning from other creators and entrepreneurs and travelers who are also mothers. So today we are very lucky to have Kelly Hill here with us. Hi Kelly! 

Kelly: Hi, thank you so much for having me. 

Danielle: We are so happy to have you on the show and to start, could you please give us a brief overview of your business or rather businesses? 

Kelly: Yes so I’m Kelly Hill and I run a few different businesses as a creator. So I have a content creation ugc and influencer business. I also have a ui/ux design business And I also founded the Work Anywhere Club and now i’m also a mom of two 

Danielle: Oh my gosh, congratulations. Could you tell us a little bit about your children? How old are they?

Kelly: My son is now two and a half and my daughter is five months old. 

Danielle: We were talking about this off air, but Kelly and I have never officially met, but we’ve been following each other for years.

And I remember just being so amazed. I think it was back when you and your husband were living in Jeju in Korea. And I just really resonated with your lifestyle and family values. And it’s just been such a blessing to watch how your family has grown. 

Kelly: Oh, thank you so much. Yes circling back to that I’m so excited now for you to be also becoming a mom and having a little baby boy, too. But we’ve lived all around the world and we were living in South Korea for a while. That’s kind of actually what it is set us into motion of, you know, deciding to start a family.

And after Korea, we were in Mexico based in Sayulita for a while. And then after several months, I got pregnant with my son. So we’ve transitioned, you know, like our travel to now having two little ones with us while we do that, which has been, it’s been so cool.

How Kelly Started Her Business And Working Remotely

Danielle: That is amazing. And I would love if we could just backtrack a little. So when exactly did you start your own business. And did you, were you already traveling at that time? And then when did pregnancy come into the picture along with your business timeline? 

Kelly: Yeah, I want to preface this that I never thought I would be having any children as early as I did. I totally thought, I mean, I didn’t even think I was going to get married in my twenties and then I ended up getting married at 22.

But we, we knew we would start a family one day. I saw that. I like when I pictured myself in my forties, I pictured myself that I had children.  but I couldn’t picture myself as a mom. Like I was just so focused on my career. So in my twenties, we lived in New York City (3 day, locals itinerary here!) and you know, did the whole nine to five grind. Like we were like, how are we like wasting our lives to this? And like, all we wanted to do was travel. We’re like, why are we working so hard? And 60 hours a week spending thousands of dollars on rent and just like all these things that truly like, didn’t have true meaning. And I, at that time I realized that I had grown in my career as a UI UX designer, all from learning from people online.

Like I realized I didn’t have to live in one single place and have to work there to have this career that I envisioned for myself. And when I looked at the people who were farther along that I was living there with, I didn’t want their life and that was the trigger that we realized we needed to change.

And so. So in 2017, I started working remotely and read Tim Ferriss’s book, Four Hour Workweek. (Which is also one of my, [Dani’s] top 5 must read books for entrepreneurs).  And that had like first sparked that like, there is something different that I could be doing. So in 2017, we left our jobs, left our in person jobs. My husband quit his job, but I ended up continuing to work remotely full time for my company that I was.

They wanted to keep me off. We started traveling around.  we had spent like a month in Costa Rica, in Panama, and we went to Morocco. We were in Europe, we were in Portugal, sort of traveling around, and we knew we wanted to grow businesses,  and so that year we also started, uh, we purchased like our first property and started,  the process for starting our Airbnb business, so, and then I also started growing my content creation business as well,  so we were really just starting to grow things from there, and I continued.

working full time while growing my businesses on the side. And then I fully like launched my businesses in 2020. So I did several years of like, I would worked on like a nine to five anywhere in the world, New York times night. But I honestly love that. I love that transition because I felt like I did so much more. Like, like I was having these full days exploring different countries and then like, and then I would work. 

So then I fully launched my business so that I could help others be able to work remotely and become creators.  so I was doing a lot of things!

Danielle: That’s really cool because I was also in New York city and 2017 was when I read the four hour work week as well and started with content creation. So it’s just so amazing to see how our stories align. And I totally resonate with you. wanting more freedom and not wanting to follow everyone else in the rat race and then finding that freedom through being able to start your own business and work from anywhere. So I just love hearing your story. 

Transitioning Into Motherhood

Danielle: My next question for you is did you have any hesitations about entering the chapter of motherhood after finding all of that freedom or was it like a new chapter that you were welcoming in with open arms? 

Kelly: So it was, I originally thought, you know, I don’t know, at the height of everything in like 2019, 2020, my businesses are really like taking off.

That I would be like 35 before having kids like I definitely just didn’t see it coming soon  but then it was I don’t know it just suddenly I started to recognize just within a next year Like just a wanting to kind of slow down a little more Not necessary, not like stop traveling or stop working on, you know, I continue to want to travel and grow our businesses and stuff like that.

But I recognized that I wanted to start slowing down my life a little bit. And I started noticing that, like when I saw young families that like I looked up to, I was like, Oh, I want that, you know, so I did recognize in myself that I, I started to have like a change of heart,  of like how soon I would want that.

And then my husband though was definitely more of the drive behind it. Like he was the one, okay, we should start having kids. Like I, I think I would have delayed. Oh wow. Yeah. I think it’s, I feel like it could usually be the other way, but he really was, he was the one who was like pushing it. Yeah. And I was like, shoot, like he could change his mind in a few years.

So I should just probably take advantage of this now. 

Danielle: Love that. Can I ask how old you guys are and how old you were when you had kids? 

Kelly: Yes. So I am 32 now. My husband’s 33 and I had my son at 29 and my husband was 30. 

Danielle: Oh, okay. Yeah. So it’s so funny because I just feel like in this day and age, that’s Like considered young, but Which I don’t understand like my friends who had kids in their 20s i’m like, ah, you 

Kelly: were babies yes And I had friends because we were living in south korea at the time and I had friends like It was basically like I was turning 30 in Korea, but I, and I was like, no, I’m turning 29.

Like, I was 28. And I was like, I’m turning 29 this year, not 30. But my, all my Korean friends were joking that I was turning 30.  and so I was like, I’m not going to, someone asked me like, Oh, are you going to have kids soon? Blah, blah, blah. And I’m like, Oh, it’s going to be a few years, you know? And then literally I’m pregnant months later.

Danielle: Yeah. It’s so funny how life works and you’re allowed to change your mind, right? Like you are allowed to change your timeline and accommodate. You don’t have to stick with one plan for life. So I love that you were listening to your heart, obviously working together with your husband and you’ve created such a beautiful family.

Balancing Motherhood And Traveling

Danielle: Did you have any thoughts as to how you would prepare for maternity leave or the whole maternity process, as you were abroad and traveling? 

Kelly: Yes. So for context for everyone, I was living in South Korea and I did my very first like prenatal like check to make sure everything I was okay in South Korea.

 and then I w we were based in living in Sayulita, Mexico when I became pregnant months later with my son. I, but I thought I would have more time. Like I thought it would take longer to get pregnant and for me.  so then I like, kicked into overdrive to start preparing, you know, my businesses. So it’s like, once I became pregnant, I think because I just kind of, I felt like we’re just spontaneous people.

And. You know, I can say our plan is one thing. And then months later, like it’s just totally different. We’re in a different country. Like you just, you just don’t know with us sometimes. So there was that, whereas like once I was actually pregnant, I’m like, okay, then I need to start preparing. So I did start preparing my businesses in a way.

And we started preparing our life in a way, in a way we did. prepare in other regards that aren’t business related, but there were things that I knew that I would wanted for motherhood. And that was having, like, I wanted to have a home base that was our own and we had already purchased that home years ago and had it as one of our Airbnb properties. (Check out our blog post on investing in real estate as a digital nomad HERE!)

We had branded it out and we knew like one day when we have kids, we’re going to move in there.  and cause it’s close to family and that’s just what we personally wanted. So I was really almost thinking of the future way before I even thought I would want that future, if that makes sense. So then that just really made things easy for me so that I felt like I could, Focus on my businesses, because you’re also focusing on like the pregnancy and like the birth too.  so I started preparing basically by just focusing on, so for context of like how my businesses work, I do a lot of content creation and design work.

So it is a lot of free freelancing esque type of, you know, style is like when you’re running a content creation or retainer style. So it’s like a mix of like agency style and.  freelance style where it could be like project based work or it could be on retainer monthly amounts.  So then I had you know, my other business which is my online education business so that I set up more for passive income  so I added some team members to help me Basically with once I was pregnant, I hired team members.

I hired a coach just so that I felt like I had support. So I was like, I know I need a coach in this season just to like, make sure I’m focused on the right things.  because I knew I would have less time in the beginning. I knew that I wanted to. put a lot of energy and focus on becoming a mom and my child, because it was new.

And so I knew that would, that would take away time from business. So I wanted to make sure I had a coach that, you know, could pinpoint the exact things I need to make sure my business, you know, kept growing and as well as some team members to help support because I really was doing everything myself until then, you know, I recognized that I would need that becoming a mom, that I would need help in multiple ways.

Finding Community And Inspiration

So then also aligning and having a support system around me. And it sounds like it’s not business related, but it so completely is because if you feel like you don’t have the support you need. For your family, like on a day to day business, it could be cleaning, it could be cooking, it could be child care, whatever that is, you are going to be stressed in your business.

And I did recognize that. So I made sure, and you know, that can look as. being close to your family or it could look like already hiring a nanny, like whatever that might look like for you and for anyone, it could look different. So it was like, you know, for us, that’s why I was like, Oh, we know we want to be close to family because I know that’s the kind of support that I want and in value.

So,  yeah. And also for me, another support was being around other moms. And we knew we wanted to like, make sure we are around friends who are having kids and in that same season, or at least connected online with other moms going through the same season. They didn’t have to be ahead or whatever, but they could be like also pregnant or something. And, and again, doesn’t sound business related, but it’s more of like when you have those things taken care of around you, it allows you to excel and drive your business forward, which is ultimately what you need to do as a business owner and entrepreneur is you always have to make sure the needle’s moving.

And if you’re stressed in other areas, it’s going to impact your business. So those are kind of the steps that I took was like this other aspects of life, as well as the support additional support I needed in my business. 

Danielle: Yeah, and it sounds like you really had the foresight to pre plan. So a lot of my friends who have kids, they are so invested into having support to nurture their new child. But as a full time entrepreneur, it’s also so important to have that foresight for your business. And so what I love to hear you do is like, you asked for help, you hired help, and you had that support in your business because you truly can’t. pour from an empty cup. You knew that the more you had taken care of, the less you had to stress, you could excel in every area and it didn’t have to be just full time in your business or full time watching your new child. It literally could be a great balance for both. 

Kelly: Yeah. I remember one of my best friends had told me that my mom was concerned. Like when I was first pregnant with my son, she’s like, she hasn’t put together the nursery yet. And I, and she was like, I’m worried about you. And I was like, oh, I’ve been focusing on getting my business in order. That’s where my energy has been. I’m like, I know the nursery won’t come together. Don’t worry. Like I just need to make sure my business is in order first. 

Danielle: Yeah. And it’s so important to have those priorities. Right. Especially in America, what I’ve noticed is the emphasis on over preparing or just like over decorating the nursery or like having every single item and just like getting so much stuff.

And then I feel like also as travelers, we see the way other people around the worldlive and there’s just so many different cultures. And you can birth babies different ways, you can raise them different ways. So it’s also important to not get so attached to one way that’s not aligned with the other your life and how you operate as a full time entrepreneur. 

Kelly: Yes, exactly. And that has been the biggest learning lesson for me is just how important it is to have in my community people who think like this and to spend time It can be someone you don’t even know but like finding other entrepreneurs who are moms to look up to or to Follow or to become friends with that has made all the difference versus And not to discredit like anyone in a normal 9 to 5 because so many of those jobs are important.

And honestly, after becoming a mom, I appreciate everyone’s type of work so much more because you, you need all the, we need all these things. We need each other.  and it’s not everyone’s calling to be, you know, an entrepreneur and that’s fine, but you know, it’s so important. a mom who runs her own businesses to have other moms who run their own businesses too because it’s different than a working mom who is working for an employer.

It’s different than being a stay at home mom.  they’re just, they’re, they’re different and it can be hard to relate and it’s, they just don’t understand the same like struggles or like the same needs or like. Our brains are always on all the time. Different pressures. Yes. So it’s, it’s so important.  and I’ve made sure I, I wasn’t quite aware of that the first time I was pregnant and I know you have been doing such an amazing job with that.

And the one thing is, since we have moved back to being based in the US, it is harder here to have that community. Like it’s so much easier being when we’re, whenever we’re everywhere else in the world, like just the expat communities, you know, you get naturally people who are like minded.  and so I just, now realize I’ve had to be even more intentional with pursuing those relationships or just What i’m filling my day with and who i’m spending time with whether that’s physically or digitally So what i’m consuming online is also so So I think it’s so important that it’s other, you know, just people in the same place as I am.

And for me personally, I’ve also found look to inspiration for moms who are entrepreneurs, but not, they haven’t been maybe seven, eight figure business. I find I connect less with those moms. I connect with the mom stuff with them, but it’s almost more important that like, especially moms that have started businesses after they became a mom, Okay.

I’m so inspired by like, because it’s a whole nother level of dedication and there’s so much to learn from navigating working and being a mom and running your own businesses. You know, it’s a different balance than other working moms. And it’s, I think way better. Like I’m going to be biased and say it is so amazing to be able to run a business and be a mom because it’s like I feel like I get to have my cake and eat it too. 

Danielle: Yeah, and it’s such a special opportunity that we get in this day and age to be able to do.

I think what Kelly demonstrates really well is like you can always find access to those groups, right? Like you can go online you can join communities. They are out there even if you’re not traveling Be intentional with who you surround yourself with and the fact that She is a badass business owner and mother multiple business owner I’m sure she would love to connect with all of you as well And so people like this they exist even if you’ve never met in person. They are out there.

Pre-Motherhood Advice

Danielle: Kelly, one question I have is if you could go pre first baby, what’s some advice you would give yourself? Like how did maybe some of your worries manifest or not manifest and what was different between your mindset then versus how it was after you had your first and now how it is after having your second?

Kelly: That is a really great question! There’s definitely a few things I would give myself advice on. It definitely is, it’s one thing to say, Oh, you don’t need to worry about these things, about certain things. Like you’re going to worry about things. You’re going to have stress. But it’s more of like, focus on making sure you already start putting tools in your toolbox that can help you manage stress and manage anxiety. And I would also say if you’re in the, for me, I wish in my first pregnancy that I had started building like a new sort of personal daily routine. that I could carry into motherhood. And it’s hard to know that going into it, what that’s going to look like, but I think it’s so important to make sure to have time for yourself.

And I remember hearing that before becoming a mom and I just didn’t quite understand. Stand it because you’re in this space where you have all this time to yourself.  and, but it’s more of like just daily practices that could, that are easy to do. So it’s going and doing yoga once a week or, you know, going surfing every, every day or, you know, for an hour or meditating, like little things that have nothing to do with business, have nothing to do with being a mom that like you can carry into this next season because that’s what’s going to make you thrive. As a mom and as a business owner, it’s so much more important. And the other thing is I wish I had started therapy sooner.

I started therapy after becoming a mom and I wish I had started it before.  just because then I feel like I would have been able to start working on the things you do in therapy, you know, that much sooner. And I feel like the transition would have been a lot. easier. The one thing I advice I give to, and that I feel like we did was just pursuing like  finding people that are at least physically going to be near you that are moms.

So whether that’s going to prenatal yoga classes, so wherever you plan to give birth,  going to prenatal yoga classes or some sort of like mom and me. type of thing. Like it doesn’t, you don’t have to be there a long time, but it’s just like opportunities to connect with other moms who are literally in that exact same season.

It’s just kind of nice to be around. It makes you feel a little less crazy on the mom nights, you know, just so, just like you pursue the relationships in business. It’s also really beneficial having that, you know, pursuing other new moms too, to like be around. 

Danielle: For sure. Yeah. So you have that community and you’re not alone going through it.

Kelly: Yes. Yes. And also,  the other thing that I would tell myself is I just wish I had known that it would take longer for my partner to like adapt than you as a mom, because like we’re literally growing the human. And so it’s like, you’re already like in tune with them. And I didn’t realize that it would take so long for my partner to like adapt to this new role because they just.

Biologically, they need their mom more in those first few months, like, especially if you’re breastfeeding They it’s just it’s just biological and there’s nothing wrong with that and dad’s Serve and you’re a partner serve such a beautiful purpose, but I wish I had like a I, I went into the mindset of like, we need to do everything equal.

And that actually was really unhealthy for us. It was better for us to find our individual roles in this new dynamic as a family. And so that was really helpful. Like instead of like, Oh, you need to be up all night with me or something, not up, you know, or just like, Oh, you need, I just changed his diaper.

You need to change it. You know, little things like that. It’s more like, hey, can you just like be in charge of the cooking and I’ll be in charge, you know, it’s just having a role really helped us the second time and just kind of knowing, and it, maybe that just comes naturally, like you need the time to adjust, but I, I, no one, definitely no one told me that going into it is like that the dad’s like, can take a little longer to adjust and to just give them grace for that.

Danielle: Yeah, that’s such great advice and i’ve actually heard that from a few of my friends just because we work differently And our bodies are like feeding our offspring but the importance of communication as well because both of you are learning but then if you Have an idea or if something will help like don’t be afraid to communicate it and just be like Hey, can you take over the cleaning or the cooking or can we divide it this way? Instead of kind of just, expecting them  to know. 

Kelly: Yes. And it can even look like they don’t have to be actually cooking. They can just be in charge of ordering the food delivery, you know, it’s like, or like finding a house cleaner, like just having that role taken care of, however they choose to manage it.

Also letting them manage it the way they do. That was another learning point. I just think it’s a, it’s so interesting, like having worked together with my husband, it’s such a different dynamic to then work as parents together. And I think it’s actually made us work together better as when we do work together on business. It’s beautiful. Like you just gain a lot of understanding. And that’s what I knew before becoming a mom. I knew there was so much growth that was going to happen and I didn’t know what it was going to be, but it’s been even better than I expected. I was thrilled. Like nervous about it, but I wish more people just told me that it’s going to be beautiful.

It’s going to be exciting. It’s going to like the hard parts are actually such an opportunity to grow and learn. And it’s, it’s, it’s crazy how much parallels there are to running a business and being a mom because the hard parts in business are where you see the growth happening. And that’s exactly what happens when you become a mom too. There is beauty in seeing what’s wrong because that means you’re gonna find what works and what’s going to be good.  and you gain a new, just like you gain a new perspective on life running a business. You gain a new perspective of life seeing it through your kids. And it’s, it’s so exciting and beautiful.

Danielle: I just didn’t hear enough positive things like that when I was little.  I love hearing it from you. And I’ve obviously not only have I been following you for years now, I go back to all of your story highlights because I just love how transparent you are with the whole process and you say the most encouraging yet real things but now like I share them with my husband I’m like look at her travel with baby tips and she has an entire highlight about this and everything is so genuine authentic and helpful so yeah I really appreciate you saying and sharing what needs to be said and shared.

Tips For Traveling With A Baby 

Kelly: Yes oh my gosh traveling with your kids is honestly so fun and I like, there’s like more you have to do, but it’s, it’s such a welcome fun challenge. And I honestly think our relationship with our kids and our relationship as parents and like our identity as parents has been so much better by traveling with our kids because it gives you so much focus time together where you’re truly focused on the experiences in your relationship and being together and you’re not thinking about all the other things.

Life admin things, housework, things like that. Like you’re, you get to really focus on it together. And it’s, it’s just so exciting. And I, I just wish, I want everyone to do it. I wish everyone do it. I want to inspire people to not be afraid to be traveling with their kids. In, especially as a baby, like it definitely, it’s easiest as a baby, but it’s like intimidating when it’s the first time, you know, because it’s new.

But then, you know, once you go through it all through the first years, you’re like, okay, the baby’s the easiest time, so make sure to travel then. And then after two, it gets even easier again and just more exciting. It’s just like everything, every phase gets better and better.  and I just, I get so excited when anyone tells me that like, They’re gonna take their first trip with their baby, and I’m like, you’re gonna have the best time, like, like, I would rather have a sleepless night, you know, in an epic location than like, at home, like, you’re gonna have a sleepless night anyways, like, why not have it be doing cool stuff?

Danielle: Yeah, why not in an exotic destination? Yeah, you’re such an inspiration, cause like, I, the thought of traveling with, you know, A newborn is like frightening to me right now, but then I look at you and I’m like she’s a newborn and a toddler. So if Kelly can do it, there must be a way 

Kelly: Yeah, and it’s like man Yeah, I wish I could tell myself like we don’t need to have all the nerves and stuff like the first time but it’s honestly and I love the other honestly the other thing I love about traveling with kids is So many different cultures around the world.

They just love babies and love kids. And it’s been such a positive experience for us to like experience that as parents, because I think sometimes we don’t get to experience that enough. living and being based in the U S the last two years, like we were in Italy and Germany and Austria over the summer with our, with our, she was saying three months old and then my son was two and a half and it was just like all the people always coming up and talking to us and talking to them and like they’re just like, everyone had something to say and they were so cute and everyone’s so accommodating in the airports. They literally have other security sections for families and kids and pregnant women.

I’ve been pregnant in Portugal, been with Dune when he was a little baby in Portugal, and they have like whole separate security lines and, or they make you cut to the front. I’ve just found like Europe to be so friendly. Traveling with kids and even like the Uber drivers, I was so impressed.

Like I took Dune to New York City when he was like a few months old.  and you know, we’re getting in and out of cabs and Ubers and whatever. It’s a rush in the city. We’ve lived there. We know the drill.  we’ve spent our time there. We know what it’s like. But then like when I was in Portugal with Dune, with doom when he was a little baby it was like automatically the uber driver already knew like what to do with a stroller and like with the car seat i was just shocked because i didn’t even encounter that in new york city where you know there’s a ton of new york city moms and you’re running around the city with with your kids you got to get an uber got it you know and you have the stroller and the car seat whatever but i was so impressed like this and he was like a young man And I’ve been so impressed by many of the Europeans I met, like young Europeans who are just so helpful with my kids.

And I feel like I don’t see the teen, you know, at least, I don’t see teenagers readily running to, to help me necessarily when I’ve been in some American destinations. Yeah. So that’s been like so positive,  to, and I, I don’t want to, I don’t have bad things to say about America. It’s more of just these differences like that.

I see it even more in other places. So it’s, that’s why I tell people like travel with your kids. Cause it’s just so amazing to get to experience other places and like how you’re going to learn something different, how they do something differently. That’s going to influence you positively. We’re going to South America over the winter with our kids. So that will be really exciting to take them there and learn the differences there. 

Danielle: So yeah, I love how you’re just continuing your travels and it’s so inspiring to hear. I also totally can see how American mannerisms and just viewpoints, even on family, I keep saying like America really makes you go through it by yourself.

It’s very individualistic. It’s very independent. There’s really no sense of like village or, you know, Yeah, readily available. And so it’s just a breath of fresh air to know that in other parts of the world, you don’t have to worry about like, maybe your baby’s making a fuss, like, because that’s always my fear, like, am I inconveniencing people, but it’s nice to know in some other countries, they’re very welcoming, and they have a whole different attitude towards it.

Kelly: Yes, and that is such an American growing up in America mindset because I had that same fear like oh my god I can’t have my kids crying on the plane like that is so such like, you know You grew up in America when going into motherhood That’s your fear and I’ve had so many women in my DMS like that’s their top thing is like What do I do about baby crying on the plane and I only have gotten it from American moms And there is, and it’s just like a cultural thing in the US. And again, it’s not to put it down,  but it’s just part of how our culture is as an American,that’s how it’s been. But it doesn’t have to be that way. And I firmly believe that our generation is changing it. You know, even for Americans, I think that because we are so hyper aware of that, that we’re trying to change that viewpoint and change things for our kids and change, you know, what it’s like in society now.

So I think we’re making good positive changes here. And, you know, when it’s possible to find your village, no matter where you are. And that’s why I always still, again, I already said, like, go to the prenatal classes, like find something local, like you can find that village. However you need to. It exists no matter where you are in the world, no matter where you are in the US. You can, you can seek it out,  even if it’s more readily available in some places than others. 

Danielle: Yes, for sure. Well, great advice and thank you so much, Kelly. I really appreciate your insights and you’re just a wealth of information into this new chapter. So thank you so much for being here on the show today.

Kelly: Thank you so much. This was so great. I’m so excited for you and your baby boy. 

Danielle: Thank you. Yeah, it’s a new chapter, but after talking to people like you, I can’t be more excited. Thank you friends for tuning in and I’ll see you in the next episode. 

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